11/16/2023 0 Comments Grell black butler icon![]() ![]() In the past she called her a man but doesn’t do that anymore. ![]() “Yana Toboso never said Grell is a trans woman”- she has called her a woman multiple times. I get that people in these comments are well-intentioned and I agree about her gender but can we please not say “dude trust me” and leave it at that? It’s insulting to the OP’s intelligence and doesn’t answer their question. On a last note, a very kind soul provided me with a lot of links, and Tumblr articles regarding the topic in the comments below, so i did found what i was looking for. But i refuse to just accept this and roll with it, just because the fandom says so, and i don't mean this in a malicious way. You are free to believe whatever you want, but again i have no issues with Grell being a women, or trans, or both. I have no problem admitting that i was wrong, and again i might've miss it somewhere, after all i read the manga a long time ago, and it peeked my interest BECAUSE i am mostly into the danmei\Bl literature or manhuas, and found the cheeky storyline interesting.l, especially with the author's yaoi background. Also, i am a long time Danmei and BL reader in both chinese and japanese languages ( for years actually, and i rarely go to a different types of mangas\manhuas or novels that aren't BL or Danmei novels), so i am pretty familiar with the LGBTQ language, references, gender expression.etc ( and no i am not talking about the translation, i know a lot get lost, if not changed when things get translated to English ), and unless i missed it, i am pretty confident that i would've spot it before. Good faith or not, there is no point in trying to convince you ( or anyone ) that the reason why i was asking, was because i was looking for some valid arguments, articles, author's notes.etc, and not just fandom theories. ![]() It's almost like drag queens referring at each other as a "she" while identifying as men.Īgain, I have nothing against the trans community but i just thought that this is something obvious ( Grell being a feminine Bi man ) and i am just surprised that there's even a discussion about it. P.S : i read the manga, watched the anime and movies so i know Grell refers to himself as a women sometimes, but really means nothing. That we can no longer have fun with clothes, make up, language without having controversies and labels thrown at our face. Now i have no issues with having a trans character, or Grell being a trans but i feel like this whole discussion was probably just a misunderstanding, taking in consideration the cultural differences as well as the translation from one language to another. ![]() But the author never mentioned the whole "trans" thing. Please correct me if i am wrong but It was very clear from the start that Grell was a Male, with feminine tendencies, who refers to himself - occasionally - as a "she" and uses the feminine grammar, because he's that playful. I might be late to the party but i was today years old when i discovered that there is a discussion and controversies regarding Grell's Gender (!) of discussion ( got it ?! It's Sebbie's butler reference. Hope you all have a wonderful day and this was one.Hell. If you want one, click "edit" beside your username on this sidebar, select the character you want, and there you go! If there's a character you want but it isn't on the list, message the mods and we'll get it sorted out.Įdit : thank you all for the replies ! There was a kind soul in the comments that provided me with a lot of references to read regarding this topic, so i found what i was looking for ❤️ An image flair is a little chibi character beside your username on this subreddit.Make sure the spoiler text is enclosed in s This code allows for 4 different spoiler codes Our Wiki Black Butler Discord Manga Chapter Links and Discussions Don't just downvote because you don't agree or you don't like the submitter.Have any questions? Don't be afraid to message the mods!.No major spoilers in submission titles.Causing trouble, especially if you are insulting others or being disrespectful, will result in a ban. Your post has to be relevant to Black Butler, either the manga or anime.I suppose that’s why humans are so interesting." - Sebastian Michaelis Rules "You struggle desperately, knocking down others in your way… You steal and are stolen from, you make endless excuses… And still you strive to get over the hill and far away. ![]()
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